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Carney chooses German submarines for Canadian navy fleet<\/h1>\n\n\n\n
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Contract expected to be worth $100B over its lifetime<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

German shipbuilder ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) is Canada’s preferred choice to build the navy’s new fleet of submarines \u2014 a multibillion-dollar defence program that is expected to be the largest in the country’s history.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Prime Minister Mark Carney’s announcement dockside in Halifax on Monday put an end to long-running speculation about the future of the highly contested program which will determine the navy’s future for decades.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Source CBC News July 6\/26<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Upon hearing the news of Canada’s immense financial and strategic bet on investing in a new fleet of 12 submarines : Court Painter engaged Euria and DeepSeek in flushing out the downside of this decision in the face of rapidly changing war technologies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Court Painter has taken the liberty of introducing some of his favourite submarine designs which he hopes will be given consideration should this contract proceed in spite of the criticism particularly from the unmanned aqua-drone lobby!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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EURIA Infomaniak was asked to outline the downside of investing in a submarine fleet in the face of changing war technologies.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Investing heavily in a traditional submarine fleet faces significant downsides given the rapid evolution of modern warfare technologies, primarily due to the diminishing element of stealth. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The most critical vulnerability is the dramatic improvement in anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities, including advanced passive and active sonar networks, satellite-based ocean monitoring, and unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs) that can patrol vast areas continuously. These technologies are eroding the historical advantage of submarines as “silent hunters,” making it increasingly difficult for them to operate undetected without massive, continuous investment in next-generation acoustic quieting and countermeasures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Furthermore, the opportunity cost is substantial; the billions required to build and maintain a modern fleet of diesel-electric or nuclear submarines could be redirected toward more versatile or cost-effective systems like drone swarms, cyber warfare capabilities, or long-range precision strike platforms that may offer a better return on investment in a conflict characterized by distributed, networked warfare. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Finally, the high cost of ownership and the long lead times for construction mean that a fleet commissioned today might be technologically obsolete by the time it becomes operational, unable to counter the new threats that have emerged during its development cycle<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

While submarines remain a potent deterrent, the trend suggests that a balanced approach integrating them with other technologies is more prudent than a heavy, singular reliance on them.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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DeepSeek answered the same question as follows:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Investing in a submarine fleet involves significant strategic trade-offs, particularly when viewed against the backdrop of rapidly evolving military technologies. The primary disadvantages typically fall into cost, vulnerability, and strategic relevancy.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Enormous Financial and Industrial Burden<\/strong>
The lifecycle cost is often the most prohibitive factor. Nuclear submarines (SSNs\/SSBNs) require massive upfront expenditure for reactor development and specialized materials, alongside extensive industrial infrastructure that few nations possess. Conventional (diesel-electric) submarines are cheaper to buy, but they still require complex maintenance cycles. More critically, the “opportunity cost” is substantial; funds allocated to a small number of submarines typically mean fewer resources for other high-tech assets like unmanned systems, cyber warfare, or space-based surveillance, which might offer more immediate tactical flexibility.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Vulnerability to New Detection Methods<\/strong>
The traditional advantage of submarines\u2014stealth\u2014is under increasing pressure. Advances in Quantum Sensing<\/strong> and Non-Acoustic Detection<\/strong> (such as detecting magnetic anomalies or the subtle wake a submarine leaves) threaten to make the oceans more transparent. Furthermore, the proliferation of Unmanned Underwater Vehicles (UUVs)<\/strong> and persistent seabed sensor networks means that vast areas can be monitored without risking manned assets. In a high-intensity conflict, once a submarine is detected, its slow submerged speed relative to aircraft or torpedoes makes it highly vulnerable, as it often lacks the speed to outrun modern lightweight torpedoes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The “Achilles’ Heel” of Communication<\/strong>
Submarines operate in an environment that inherently blocks electromagnetic signals. To receive orders, they must either surface, raise a communications buoy, or tow a long antenna array, all of which increase the risk of detection. In a future war characterized by rapid, AI-driven decision-making and swarming tactics, the inherent latency in communicating with a submerged submarine creates a significant tactical lag. This makes it difficult to integrate submarines into a “joint all-domain” kill web compared to surface ships or drones.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Technological Obsolescence and Crew Constraints<\/strong>
Given that submarine programs often span 10 to 20 years from design to delivery, there is a genuine risk that the hull will be obsolete before it is even commissioned, particularly regarding onboard computing architecture and sonar processing. Additionally, the training pipeline for submarine officers and nuclear engineers is long and expensive. This creates a “human bottleneck,” where the force is limited less by hulls and more by the availability of highly skilled personnel. In contrast, autonomous systems offer the advantage of being expendable and operating without the physical limitations of a human crew.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Lack of Flexibility in “Grey Zone” Conflicts<\/strong>
Submarines are powerful for strategic deterrence (nuclear) and anti-ship warfare, but they are generally less useful for the low-intensity conflicts common today, such as counter-piracy, humanitarian aid, or presence operations where visible force is required. Their singular focus on stealth and lethality makes them a less versatile investment compared to multi-mission surface combatants or long-range strike aircraft.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ultimately, while submarines remain a critical component of a credible nuclear deterrent, their role in conventional warfare is threatened by the rising capabilities of unmanned underwater systems and advanced sensor networks. The strategic risk is that they may become “high-value, low-utility” assets in a future conflict, acting more as static strategic symbols than dynamic warfighting tools.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Carney chooses German submarines for Canadian navy fleet Contract expected to be worth $100B over its lifetime German shipbuilder ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) is Canada’s preferred choice to build the navy’s new fleet of submarines \u2014 a multibillion-dollar defence program that is expected to be the largest in the country’s history. Prime Minister Mark Carney’s … Continue reading “Sub Choice?…”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"gallery","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-33756","post","type-post","status-publish","format-gallery","hentry","category-images","post_format-post-format-gallery"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/allanhardingmackay.ca\/courtpainter\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/33756","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/allanhardingmackay.ca\/courtpainter\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/allanhardingmackay.ca\/courtpainter\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/allanhardingmackay.ca\/courtpainter\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/allanhardingmackay.ca\/courtpainter\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=33756"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/allanhardingmackay.ca\/courtpainter\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/33756\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":33777,"href":"https:\/\/allanhardingmackay.ca\/courtpainter\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/33756\/revisions\/33777"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/allanhardingmackay.ca\/courtpainter\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=33756"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/allanhardingmackay.ca\/courtpainter\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=33756"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/allanhardingmackay.ca\/courtpainter\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=33756"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}